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Inclusive Community, Inclusive Schools

What is the best predictor of a student’s academic achievement?

If you think it’s grades, IQ, or standardized test scores, think again.

It’s the child’s zip code.

In one neighborhood, a child can go to school in safety, while in another, perhaps only blocks away, the child encounters violence.  A 2009 study by the Great Lakes Center for Education Research & Practice underscores the primacy of place: “Inputs to schools matter. As wonderful as some teachers and schools are, most cannot eliminate inequalities that have their roots outside their doors and that influence events within them.”

In Illinois, where public schools are primarily funded by property taxes, residential segregation translates into dramatic contrasts in school funding.  The per pupil spending gap between low and high poverty districts is, at $2,500, the second highest in the nation, according to Dr. Max McGee, president of the Illinois Math & Science Academy, former Superintendent of Wilmette School District 39 and former State Superintendent.  According to the Chicago Urban League, “The EAV [equalized assessed value] per pupil in the top five wealthiest districts ranged from $1.2 to $1.8 million, while the EAV per pupil ranged from $7,000 to just over $24,000 in the five districts with the lowest property wealth.”

A school situated in a safe environment can channel its funding into books, teacher salaries, programs in athletics and the arts, while poorer districts spend much of their already reduced pot on basic human needs like food, transportation, and security.

These economic disparities by zip code are also defined by racial segregation – so much so that the Circuit Court of Cook County backed the Chicago Urban League’s claim of a discriminatory impact based on race in the state’s use of the property tax for school funding.  Racial segregation is inevitable when African Americans are denied housing for decades, when restrictive covenants are placed on homes and neigborhoods, when the real estate industry practices race-based steering, when banks “redline” some neighborhoods in favor of others, and when FHA home loans were initially approved only in white neighborhoods.  Not until 43 years ago with the Fair Housing Act were all these practices made illegal.  But the effects of these practices linger.  Outside Evanston, the north suburban population remains only one percent Black.

But why should a prosperous, predominantly white community be interested in having integrated schools?  According to a study by Harvard Law School, since the Supreme Court outlawed segregation in its 1954 landmark decision, Brown v. Board of Education of Topeka, it is clear that “an essential condition for reducing prejudice is for people from various racial groups to be in contact with one another.” 

Growing up in a diverse community prepares children for living in a complex, heterogeneous world.  By learning how to act and resolve conflict within a context of mutual respect among political equals, they learn how to live in a democractic society.  The Harvard study enumerates other benefits such as enhanced critical thinking, access to a broad base of beneficial social and professional networks post-graduation, and exposure to different cultures. 

Dedidated to those principles of democracy, a grassroots group of north suburban parents and teachers, under the umbrella United We Learn, coalesced three years ago to promote better public education systems that benefit all Illinois children.  UWL organized to welcome State Sen. Rev. James Meeks and the hundreds of Chicago Public School students who boycotted their first day of school in 2008 to rally at New Trier High School.  Beyond that day, UWL embarked on an inquiry to find out why and how funding matters.  They held community forums and last year, released a video, The Education They Deserve, in which high school students, teachers, parents, and business leaders in Chicago and the North Shore highlight the inequities inherent in educating kids by zip code. 

Most studies on student achievement focus on school-based strategies.  But we we know that the impact of community is vital, especially in terms of its wealth.  Indeed, a Chicago Tribune editorial published earlier this month underscores the economy as the core problem with urban schools.

While we wait for economic recovery, we can invest in the future of our north suburban children by endorsing housing strategies that promote integration.  Those strategies could include:

  • Marketing and celebrating our suburbs as welcoming of diversity.  From posters and ads, to municipal web sites and housing fairs with positive images of different populations by race, religion, national origin, presence of children, disability, sex, age, sexual orientation, income, and marital status, our suburbs can communicate a powerful message of openness.  Skokie, for example, has long celebrated its diversity through its “Festival of Cultures.” 
  • Inviting minority families living outside these suburbs to consider a move here.  A study by the University of Illinois at Chicago found significant “racial blind spots” between whites, African Amercans and Latinos in the Cook County area.  For example, 40% of African Americans in this 2004 study of 800 randomly selected adults knew nothing about Glenview.
  • Supporting affordable housing programs that can help lower income residents to remain and others to move into the community, particularly local workers.  Evanston, Highland Park, and Skokie have rental and for-sale housing at a variety of price points for low- and moderate-income famililes and people with disabilities.  In addition, Deerfield, Northbrook, Northfield and Wilmette have affordable units for older adults. 
  • Refusing to tolerate housing discrimination by landlords, home sellers, property managers, or real estate professionals.  Evanston, Morton Grove, and Wilmette have brochures promoting their communities with fair housing laws included.  Municipal commissions, such as housing or human relations, can help educate the public.  The Interfaith Housing Center of the Northern Suburbs, as the region’s private fair housing enforcement agency, is also well-equipped to investigate complaints and act as a free educational resource.

All of these strategies require political will.  If you are interested in learning more about school and community-based strategies to promote diversity, please join the Interfaith Housing Center in welcoming three north suburban principals – Dr. Ryan McTague of Niles North HS in Skokie, Erin Murphy of Field Middle School in Northbrook, and Dr. Jeff Brown of King Lab in Evanston – to a regional forum, “Inclusive Community, Inclusive Schools,” on Sunday, Oct. 23, 2011, from 3:00 to 4:30 p.m. at the Winnetka Congregational Church, 725 Pine St., Winnetka. 

The forum is being moderated by Barbara Hiller, an active coach of school principals and herself a retired principal and assistant superintendent from Evanston, and a leader in United We Learn.

This community forum, the centerpiece of the Annual Meeting of the Interfaith Housing Center of the Northern Suburbs, and is free and open to the public.  Founded in 1972 by north suburban residents, religious, and civic leaders, Interfaith is the premier advocate for fair & affordable housing.  We welcome your open mind and engagement. 

jcs

4:13 pm on Monday, October 17, 2011

A child's education is absolutely critical for their success in the future. One must have the intellectual skills to compete in the cut-throat job market we are faced with today in these tough economic times. But one must also have an understanding of the greater country's social diversity and the wealth of cultural resources an integrated community has to offer. Gail is absolutely right to stress the importance of diversity in Chicago's north suburban schools. As she points out, being educated in a multicultural environment is crucial to preparing your child for achievement in higher education institutions and the workplace. High academic test scores are not enough to foster the kind of "global citizen" New Trier likes to claim it creates. It's time for the North Shore to legitimately move toward positive social change and housing is a great place to start.

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Winnetka

9:41 am on Thursday, October 20, 2011

BLAH BLAH BLABBITY BLAH. I'm lookin out my window and whatd'ya know...I've got neighbors who are teachers, lawyers, unemployed, seniors, $500k houses-$2million houses, Italian, Hispanic, Asian, Black... non-citizen, 20 somethings...through 80 somethings..Jews, Christians, Lutherans, Moslem

Oh, but NONE of that is diverse-Right?

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blackwidow

1:43 pm on Thursday, October 20, 2011

re: comment below
Winnetka/Philly
I know 4 people that live within a block of your house on Oak. They don't know any "non-citizens." And they had no idea your 'hood was so lively, interesting and multi-cultural as you describe.....considering the census report* that points out that only 36 (not HH, people!) of the 12,000+ Winnetka residents are African American, you must know and be neighbors/friends with one of these few families. Good for you!

But knowing that street fairly well, I'm not sure what direction you would have to face to see a $2mm home from your window......more detail please?!

Finally, how are Lutherans different than Christians? Have you ever spotted Mormon? Or a Sikh? Just curious.

You continue to entertain.
* Winnetka Ethnicity Statistics
White 12,045
African American 36 (do the math....Winnetka/Philly, your block is a statistically phenomenon!)
Hispanic or Latino 156 (" ")
Asian 367
American Indian or Alaska Native 10
Hawaiian / Pacific Islander 2
Other 55

Paul Young

3:57 am on Tuesday, October 18, 2011

This is a well written article and I do agree that living in a nicer area gives a distinct educational advantage to children. However, I do not place much stock in placing people into communities just to give them this advantage. When you move people into areas outside their soical or economic comfort level without any sort of 'buy in' from them, you are asking for nothing but trouble. Two things I believe in, which are not generally practiced by housing agencies or their customers; Pride of ownership and Community invlovement. When you take a family out of a high crime/low income area and place them in a community like Glenview there needs to be some buy in from that family. It is high time that the responsibility for success be placed upon the recipients of the benefits, not on those of us that are providing the access and tools.

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Lucy Klocksin

9:22 am on Tuesday, October 18, 2011

Having had my own children educated on the North Shore while I was teaching in the Chicago Public Schools gave me an unsettling view of the inequities of housing as well as schools. Gail Schechter's article does a great job of tying the housing and educational needs of residents together. I applaud her well-researched and thought out remarks. As for Paul Young's concerns that families from high crime/low income areas wouldn't thrive here because of lack of "buy in" I was taken aback. I can't imagine the families of the children I taught in Chicago failing to buy in to the opportunity to live in our community. They don't live here because they just can't afford it. I had a student a few years ago who wrote that if she could have 3 wishes the first would be to have a bed. I can't picture her family being unwilling to buy in to living in a safe community with good schools. Her family was poor but they wanted a good life for their children. Rather than having to go out and seek some diversity for my children when they were young, I would welcome some diversity of race and wealth to come and live among us.

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Paul Young

10:29 am on Tuesday, October 18, 2011

Lucy, I look at your statement, "I was taken aback by Paul's comment..." with a bit of amusement. Basically you should have just come out and called me a racist. That being said, I have seen too many people move into our communities and not thrive. There are obviously a lot of reasons for this and I am not going to try and simplify the socio-economic issues that face people moving into an unfamiliar environment. Lucy is correct that there are a lot of people that wish for more/better, including me at times, but wish in one hand and put dirt in the other to see which fills up first. You have to put effort forth if you want to succeed. Getting handed an apartment/house in a nice neighborhood does not automatically mean that you are going to succeed in school or life. The point that I am making is that these agencies and their clients need to do a better job of working to succeed, not stand there hat in hand and take without giving. (By the way Lucy I volunteer my time and my money to help those less fortunate so get off your high horse plese).

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Winnetka

9:35 am on Thursday, October 20, 2011

Lucy says: "Rather than having to go out and seek some diversity for my children when they were young, I would welcome some diversity of race and wealth to come and live among us."

Wow...what an incredibly PATRONIZING remark! Don't do as I do, just do as I say. That statement reads: I don't want to go out and practice what I preach, I want it brought to me so that I can decide who of the "under class" is worthy to live in my royal midst."
Gotta love limousine liberals...THEY keep it REAL.

Paul Young

10:30 am on Tuesday, October 18, 2011

correction on my last comment, my spelling was atrocious I meant to say 'Please' not 'plese'.

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Sully

4:49 pm on Friday, October 21, 2011

Paul- for your consideration. . Is it possible that when members of lower ses move into a "higher" neighborhood for whatever reason, that acclimating to that environment can be difficult if the neighbors don't "buy in". I grew up in an area that was 100 percent white. Non-whites didn't dare move there because they knew their lives would be made a hell if they did. It didn't matter if they could afford it or not, no one of another color dared live there. I believe even today (for i grew up a long time ago) the suburb is about 99.9 percent white.

John Ruberry

11:04 am on Tuesday, October 18, 2011

This is why we need school vouchers so kids aren't locked in to failing schools.

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Paul Young

1:07 pm on Tuesday, October 18, 2011

I tend to agree with you John, but there still has to be accountability from the parents and kids so we don't throw good money after bad.

BRG

2:58 pm on Tuesday, October 18, 2011

The disparity in SES in places like Evanston is what contributes to the inequalities and performance discrepancies. It has nothing to do with curriculum, honors, mixed honors, culturally-focused curriculum, faculty awareness training, etc. I can't imagine more diverse and culturally aware teachers and administration than in Evanston schools. And yet the issues persist. The NAACP has had a lot of input in Evanston schools for many years and we need to take back our community.

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Paul Young

3:35 pm on Tuesday, October 18, 2011

Good comment BRG, but be careful because someone might get 'taken aback' by your comment.

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Martha King

10:47 pm on Tuesday, October 18, 2011

I'm more than "taken back" by the last sentence in your comment. I'm downright offended.

Karen Dennis

3:53 pm on Tuesday, October 18, 2011

My husband and I moved to the Chicago area in 1989. Moving from Iowa, there was shock at how expensive it was to live in a metropolitan area, especially in communities on the North Shore. We ended up in Evanston. The community seemed like Chicago and we didn’t have to figure out which Chicago public schools were good. My children, grades K, 4 and 8, used to come home from King Lab School and say the classes were “so loud,” but they quickly got used to it. When my oldest daughter went away to school in Philadelphia, she said, “Mom, you know if you graduate from ETHS, you can go anyplace in the world and be confident that you can deal with anything.” That’s the biggest tribute I think that can be said for diversity, ethnic and socio-economic, and I think it brings wonderful benefits to the children in any community that makes it a priority.

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Glenn Farkas

9:39 pm on Tuesday, October 18, 2011

While the article by Ms Schecter is well written and well intentioned, I think the social engineering that she espouses is exactly why the country is in a fiscal mess. I agree that property taxes are a lousy way to fund all schools, so let's find a better/fairer way to fund all of the states schools. Even if we equalized the per/student funds at each school in the state, the performance discrepancies would still exist. And for those that call for building and/or creating more low-income housing in the north shore, I would like them to volunteer their street as the first to participate in that experiment. Think your housing values are low now? The answer is not to "force feed" racial diversity into our neighborhoods (how did desegregation/busing work out a few decades ago??) but to fix the mess that is the Chicago Public School System. It will take more than money to cure their ills. My wife and I worked hard (and continue to work hard) to provide our children a nice home and a safe community, as well as teaching them the benefits of treating all people respectfully. We don't need people like Ms Schechter, and other idealists like her, imposing her views upon us. For those people who commented that they were glad that their children had such great experiences at Evanston and Skokie that is great. They made that decision for themselves and moved into those communities. My wife and I chose otherwise, and I'm tired of others trying to impose their values upon us.

GMF

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A

7:31 am on Wednesday, October 19, 2011

I couldn't agree more! Finally, Glenn has hit the nail on the head. As a long time resident of HP, I have been inundated with bad news of my grandchildren's school experience. Not every school in HP, despite its zip code is equal. If diversity for diversity's sake is the answer, then EVERY school in HP should be integrated with low income, special ed and language learners to the same level. Every school. Or, allow boundaries to expand so that every school pulls kids from its surrounding area and let the community step up to affect change within that school. LIke Glenn said, I doubt very much people would willingly give up their streets for any low-income or diversity opportunity because they didn't years ago when decisions were being made but those very same people still think diversity is great, just not at their school. Ms. Schecter should inquire about Lake Forest, Deerfield, Glencoe's low-income policies. She will find their doors are primarily closed. Creating pet-housing projects within even those communities won't solve the problem, however. Teacher quality, mentorship for those teachers and holding them accountable is one idea, equalizing the playing field for all kids is another. But it takes a seasoned teacher with qualified support to create successful learners no matter the mix of students. Glenn, I am also tired of others imposing their values & bad policies on anyone. People chose to live where they live and should not have to apologize for it.

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John Brinkmann

10:43 pm on Friday, October 21, 2011

BINGO Glenn---extremely well stated---I wish more here could see the common sense in what you say without all the banal banter

Paul Young

5:37 am on Wednesday, October 19, 2011

Martha you are way too sensitive, but at least your were forthright enough to admit that you were 'offended'. I am glad that this discussion is happening because peopel like Lucy and Martha need to understand that there a lot of us that don't agree with social engineering. The idealistic refrain that I keep hearing from some people is basically give everyone everything whether they earned it or not. I subscribe to the belief that if you give someone something without making them work for it, then they won't appreciate it. I can't afford to live in Winnetka, should I get a voucher to live in a house there so I can send my kids to New Trier rather than Niles West? Will graduates of New Trier always do better than kids that graduated from Senn? Is someone from Mather going to fail for no other reason than they went to a Chicago Public School? I propose this, if you have someone pushing the kids in school and staying on top of them, then they will do better than the kids with the absentee adult figure no matter what school they attend. What gives people the right to demand money and housing for no other reason then they think they are owed it?

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Martha King

10:49 am on Wednesday, October 19, 2011

Ah, Paul, I don't think anyone who knows me would think I am too sensitive. Perhaps your comments was simply offensive?
I hope that you will consider attending this seminar. It's an important discussion regardless of our personal beliefs.

Christopher Brinckerhoff

12:15 pm on Wednesday, October 19, 2011

Hey everyone, We’re glad there’s such lively conversation going on about this topic. But I want to remind everyone that Patch’s Terms of Service states commenters should not be abusive or harass one another. Thank you!

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Paul Young

4:39 pm on Wednesday, October 19, 2011

Chris, I agree and understand your policy and have kept my comments to the issue at hand. I just believe that Martha doesn't like people with differing opinions so she attacks personally. Good and polite discourse is hard to have when the thinly veiled 'racism' charge is thrown out at you (Lucy). I will stop making Martha feel angry and not post a reply to her stuff, but my final comment is, "What is so offensive about my posts Martha?"

Winnetka

3:14 pm on Wednesday, October 19, 2011

Now that the Caucus survey has shown by majority "vote", that Winnetkans don't want to pay for housing entitlements as outlined and aggressively lobbied for by Schecter, she's pursuing racial "equality" and suggesting that our community has none.(laughable) The attempts to destroy Winnetka have failed. But she is undeterred with the support of those among us in Winnetka who would like to see our community turned inside out. Fortunately, those malcontents among us: bitter from divorce, cast aside for the younger/hotter model, personal failings and deep jealously are scant. The audacity of our community to have a higher per capita income/housing value/ IQ. We should be so ashamed of our success. The nerve of us!! Success rarely has anything to do w/ luck or zipcode. Time for Schecter, the social justice profiteeress, to take her diversity guilt trippin manifesto somewhere else.At the rate housing values are falling in Winnetka, Schecter might want to move on to more lucrative and receptive communities. If she practices what she preaches, then she'll hotstep it down to the South Side. I've heard they have a "diversity' problem too.

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nsmom

7:51 am on Friday, October 21, 2011

Winnetka, every time you post you show your intolerance and nastiness. Fortunately in my 20 years in Winnetka I have seen that you are clearly the minority. As for the Caucus survey showing any "majority", if you think 1200 respondents can identify a majority you are even less intelligent than your many ignorant, mean, and childish postings demonstrate. Beyond your pathetic attitudes, your posting about your neighborhood is patently false. For someone who considers herself such a "Christian", you certainly have hateful, un-Christ-like attitudes and behaviors. I wonder if you realize how hypocritical and sad you appear.

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Winnetka

4:47 pm on Friday, October 21, 2011

nsmom/blackwidow/gail/jen/ et al....Their responses here & elsewhere demonstrate that they are among a small group of people who do not believe in the democratic caucus system of Winnetka. Troubling is that atleast 2 are on the Caucus-possibly the nominating committee? No matter how many times villagers have made their will known:at long town meetings, caucus votes, referendum petitions, they continue in ramming their will down villagers collective throats. They criticize the judgement of Winnetkans who did vote(those who didn't were exercising their democratic right, too). Their relentless and pointed attacks on many residents in print and online(aka cyber bullying) begs the question: just how far will they go to get their way? In this day/age it is not beyond the realm of possibility that their harmful rhetoric is a precursor to actual harm befalling those of which they have in their sights? They should accept that villagers have spoken on the issue of housing entitlements. They should abandon the cyber bullying, personal attacks, which now include residents religious affiliations(particularly those who may be Christian). (No surprise since one of these individuals is an atheist.) It is deeply disturbing how far some will go to force their philosophy on the majority.
We should all take note and promise to protect each other from this tyranny.

Paul Young

6:02 pm on Thursday, October 20, 2011

I am happy to see that I am not the only one that disagrees with the idea of social engineering and giving away something without any sort of buy in from the recipients. Very refreshing.

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Grateful Immigrant

8:58 pm on Thursday, October 20, 2011

"I subscribe to the belief that if you give someone something without making them work for it, then they won't appreciate it." What child labor do north suburban kids engage in to be able to appreciate their quality education?

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Paul Young

10:18 pm on Friday, October 21, 2011

If you give your kids everything and they don't appreciate it, then they will be spoiled brats that feel entitled. Same goes for adults that get everything handed to them 'Grateful Immigrant'. If you read Greenwood's comment below mine, he obviously understood what I meant and practices the belief that I have. Grateful, if you work hard and at least make an effort to be a part of your adopted community, then I have no problem with you.

Greenwood

10:07 pm on Thursday, October 20, 2011

I may not speak for everyone here, but my children do yardwork, shovel snow and babysit for neighbors to earn spending money and to fund their extracurricular activities, as well as doing volunteer community service work. Unfortunately, they're not old enough to have "real" jobs. When they are, they will.

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nsmom

5:03 pm on Friday, October 21, 2011

Winnetka/AS, please do not make assumptions about other posters - you don't know who anyone is unless they post their own names. We know who you are b/c you've posted so often and so many places that it's become obvious. I am not on the Caucus and never have been. But you keep believing and spreading your fiction. BTW, no one's criticizing your religion - it's your hypocrisy, your bullying, your juvenile attacks "BLAH BLAH BLABBITY BLAH", and your disregard for the truth.

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Winnetka

6:23 pm on Friday, October 21, 2011

NSMOM: Quite hypocritical that you would take umbrage with someone assuming what your identity is. Posting names, alluding to home addresses, mocking the religious affiliation of people(Christian) "you think" have posted here shows you to be the vile, bigoted and dangerous person you are. If you don't agree with what I post or whomever else "you think" posts here, then just agree to disagree. I certainly hope nothing befalls AS or whomever you're referring to. They wouldn't have to look farther than this blog to know who was behind it.

Sully

5:25 pm on Friday, October 21, 2011

Winnetka- you are just as you appear to be. That is, intolerant. prejudiced, and narrow-minded. We don't want any of "those" people moving into our neighborhood. We want everyone to look the same, act the same, and believe the same. Just like back in the good ole days before civil rights and all that stuff.

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nsmom

5:28 pm on Friday, October 21, 2011

So true, Sully. Folks like Winnetka don't seem to realize that the people among whom we don't want to live are those w/her attitudes.

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Greenwood

5:41 pm on Friday, October 21, 2011

Has anyone else caught the irony in Sully's and nsmom's comments? They seem to be saying that they don't want to live among people with different attitudes and beliefs.

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Clark Kent

11:49 am on Saturday, October 22, 2011

From a non-North Shore suburb, a Hamlet (of sorts)...

O that this too too sullied flesh would melt,
Thaw, and resolve itself into a dew...

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Greenwood

7:02 pm on Friday, October 21, 2011

It just seems that for folks who claim to champion a diversity of views and attitudes, you all seem to be pretty intolerant of views and attitudes that differ from your own. It's easy to label opinions with which you disagree as "full of hate," but nsmom may want to review her own posts before accusing others. How about everyone stepping away from the keyboard, dialing up "Gran Torino" on On Demand, and thinking about it?

nsmom

5:56 pm on Friday, October 21, 2011

Not wanting to live around people full of hate is not bigotry. It's the opposite.

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Paul Young

10:27 pm on Friday, October 21, 2011

I admit that I have not read all the comments here, but I will say that I was labeled as a racist when all I said was that I want people to appreciate what they have been given and that they have to buy in to their communities. People can disagree with me and state their beliefs regarding giving money and housing to everyone less fortunate no matter the reason, but I would like to see some quality control and follow up when our money is given to people to move into our communities. I appreciate and respect the differing views so I think that people should respect my differing views without telling me that they were 'taken aback' or 'offended'. I worked hard to move into my community and push my children to do well in school so they can do even better than me. Something isn't working when generations of a family have been getting aid for decades and they still haven't moved ahead on their own.

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Martha King

4:01 pm on Sunday, October 23, 2011

For the record, I am certainly not offended by anything Mr. Young states here. What I was referring to, which has been removed, was a specific comment regarding "taking schools back from the NAAPC". Not sure what happened to that portion of the post but I suppose, Patch controllers, you can take down my offended comments now, too.

nsmom

6:33 pm on Friday, October 21, 2011

Winn/AS, I have no idea why you accuse others of being dangerous. No other posters talk that way. Calm down. You are the only one who sounds that angry. My impression is that most others feel sad for you. This is a discussion, not a war. Stop assuming others are as malicious as you seem to be.

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Winnetka

7:12 pm on Friday, October 21, 2011

Really nsmom/blackwidow/Jen/Gail? That is who/m you are. Right? Blackwidow's kill-do they not?? I do not believe you are a proponent for those in need. Your commentary is a bit too emotional and shows psychotic tendencies. You are obsessed w/ this AS person. I believe they are in danger. Your outlandish comments and suggestions are evocative of Laurie Dann. Please step away from the keyboard and seek professional intervention. Given your obvious state, I will no longer be commenting on this blog.

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blackwidow

7:47 pm on Friday, October 21, 2011

"Given your obvious state, I will no longer be commenting on this blog."
I hope that you are a person of your word.
On the one hand, I will miss your entertaining rants and non-seqiiturs.
On the other, since you did nothing to actually add to rational discourse, it's likely to be additive to the overall IQ of the discussion/debate on these topics.

Greenwood

10:53 pm on Friday, October 21, 2011

Yes, living on the North Shore is largely a matter of socioeconomic status. However, we settled where we did because we felt that our neighbors, regardless of net income, race, creed or nationality, had similar values: hard work, sacrificing to raise their children to be the best they can be, and a willingness to come over, sit on the patio with a beverage of choice, and shoot the wind on the first nice spring afternoon. I think that may be what Paul means by "buying in."

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Sully

10:19 am on Saturday, October 22, 2011

Greenwood, that may be how you feel, but I would hesitate to say everyone else feels that same way.

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nsmom

11:05 am on Saturday, October 22, 2011

Sully is right again, and "quality control" is an interesting choice of words. Some want to avoid those who look different or have less, while others would rather not be around those w/an attitude of entitlement. The implication that those who work - and many who currently live - in Winnetka would not meet a "quality control" standard should be offensive to all of us, regardless of our income, house size, race, religion, etc.

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Greenwood

11:20 pm on Saturday, October 22, 2011

I doubt that Paul Young was referring to current Winnetka residents or workforce when he mentioned "quality control." I think he was referring to the hypothetical in which Winnetka becomes the municipal equivalent of a Benetton ad. The days of easy financing are over, and the odds of anyone moving to Winnetka without a good pile of cash are slim to none, and as slim's leaving town, that hypothetical will remain hypothetical for the foreseeable future.

Clark Kent

11:23 am on Saturday, October 22, 2011

"What is the best predictor of a student’s academic achievement?"

Concerned parents, a working cerebellum, interest and fascination with life, a broken television, hidden/non-working Xboxes, decent friends and a school curriculum which drops the mental garbage called "social philosophy" and other diversity nonsense and focuses on actual skills.

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Sully

12:16 pm on Saturday, October 22, 2011

There is no one best predictor of academic achievement/success. There are factors that contribute, some more significant than others, but when looking at individuals, there are many variables that can influence achievement. Of course it helps to have fundamental needs met, such as being well fed, rested, clothed, etc. in order to achieve at a higher level.

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niwrad

7:43 pm on Saturday, October 22, 2011

Winnetka -
I didn't "flag" you, but do you realize that in one e-mail you used the words: kill, psychotic tendencies, obsessed, danger and "evocative of Laurie Dann." I don't even know who that is or what it means, but it seems severely angry.

I don't think anyone else posting is coming from the same dark place....seemed to me, at least in the beginning, it was a simple, spirited discussion based on the original essay.

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Mark V. Matz

7:25 am on Sunday, October 23, 2011

"Inclusive Schools, Inclusive Community" was a great title for an article that elicted a lot of emotional response, but mostly from those outside of Morton Grove! Since this is the MORTON GROVE patch, it would be nice if the editors here could work a littler harder to make this a truly "local" site; which was their stated goal when they launced a year ago. I'm sure they're working on it and hope they find a solutions soon for us and others in different towns as we have enough "regional" news from other sources. For those reading this outside our borders, did everyone know our village of Morton Grove is ethnically diverse, holds inter-faith services and has a village commission that works to make all feel informed and has fair housing? We've heard much negative from our neighbors to the east, how about we start to hear some positives (along with more truly local stories for each Patch.com site)? Thanks for reading all.

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Clark Kent

11:35 am on Sunday, October 23, 2011

"...the editors here could work a littler harder to make this a truly "local" site...we have enough "regional" news from other sources..." Huh?

You might, just might, be interested to know that PATCH articles are placed in a variety of local PATCH areas; hence, this article showed up in a variety of areas and thus elicited responses from outside your unprotected Morton Grove territorial imperative.

Mark V. Matz

2:13 pm on Sunday, October 23, 2011

Not really interested in an ongoing debate with Mr. Kent (nor anyone else), so will simply state that "in my opinion" maintaining a better balance between local and regional issues here should be more of a priority of this site especially since it claimed to be a new source of local news when it first entered the market a year ago (and under the first editor Carrie Porter it was able to be true to that goal). Maybe some of the articles placed in a variety of local PATCH areas shouldn't be? And yes, I am aware of their placement policy, but simply do not agree with it. For instance, I recall reading many posts about the 10th Congressional District, but ALL of Morton Grove is in the 9th, why?

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Paul Young

9:41 am on Monday, October 24, 2011

It does seem that this article has attracted a rather spirited debale outside of MG Mark.

grandpa

5:00 pm on Sunday, October 23, 2011

Perhaps part of the problem lies with the fact that the Morton Grove Patch has not had a true editor since Carrie Porter was "promoted" to the Winnetka Patch.

There is also an apparent propensity for certain persons to hijack threads, (I remember this happening with the 10th district thread as well). Combine this with snarkey comments by some posters who display ignorance while believing they are being clever and you have sown the seeds for the failure of the publication.

It has become an unfortunate fact that many times it is difficult to differentiate the Patch from the Jerry Springer show.

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Paul Young

9:40 am on Monday, October 24, 2011

Martha, the comment about the NAACP was not mine nor do I know who wrote that. So I do take offense to having my posts 'flagged' by you as offensive. If you were indeed referring to some other poster, fine, but next time make sure that you are flaming the right guy. I take the time to explain my points of view and don't need to be called offensive or have someone telling me that they are 'taken aback' because my views are opposing. The great thing about the 1st Amendment is that we are allowed to speak our minds so again, I come back to my original problem which is that some of the posters wish to attack those that do not support the article author's point of view. By the way, thanks for getting my back Greenwood.

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BRG

1:37 pm on Monday, October 24, 2011

The 5th ward is right to want a neighborhood school. Integration in the 70s, continuing until today, was well-intentioned just as is Ms. Schecter. But it did not work to raise and equalize all children. Why would we have any outside organization, whether religious or political, trying to influence our schools as much as the NAACP has? Would we want significant input from B'nai B'rith or the Catholic Church, no matter how noble their mission? Along those lines, children with a first language other than English learn academic subjects best in the first language. Why would we work against what has been proven in research just to be seen as inclusive in programs like TWI? Well-intentioned but not the best for the children.

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Molly

7:06 am on Wednesday, October 26, 2011

We've only lived here in HP for 18 yrs or so but I still find it amusing when I hear neighbors speak of the "diversity" and "open-minded" set here. I grew up in a rural college town with students from Tunisia to Cambodia and everywhere in between. This didn't guarantee integration or acceptance but I credit my parents (WASPy, practically off the Mayflower types) with raising our family to view others based on how they act, not their physical or economic situation. How rare this attitude seems to be in the world today.

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